/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>482609
I plan to become the presidential dictator of course.

>>482610
how?

Name a single president in US history who has ever been held to account for their law breaking while in office.

>>482612
William McKinley.

>>482611
I am in favor of the break down of American liberal democracy because it means there will be a chance for something new to emerge very soon. Historically speaking a failing liberal system leads to a lot of civil disorder - and a lot of political opportunity for those who are organized and large enough to take it. The number one job of American Communists right now is preparing for that chance. The Bolsheviks were a tiny group before gaining strength and power in the span of a few years before Russia's political crisis in the first world war. American Communists need to get their head in the game so it can be the same way for them.

Well, I'm curious if the ruling does what the dissent said. But it probably does, yeah.

That considered, I saw this from… well, to be honest, I can't say "a mile away," because we weren't a mile away from it. We were and are extremely close to it, and it's obvious to me that the DNC is as enthusiastic about Project 2025 as the GOP is. That's why the red carpet is being rolled out right now, that's why Biden expanded warrantless surveillance law (https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/04/22/wyrz-a22.html), that's why the Dems have had no real answer to the biggest state-level attacks on abortion & trans medical care in at least the past 20 years, that's why Trump was convicted for fucking a porn star and not anything related to the fake electors or January 6th, that's why the constitution is irrelevant when it comes to Habeas Corpus or freedom of religion or freedom of the press, but isn't irrelevant when it comes to whether or not a senile man or a man who cheats elections can be president, that's why the Leahy laws are being totally ignored to aid in a genocide, that's why Biden himself has helped further militarize the border with Mexico (https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/06/06/czjy-j06.html), that's why Biden has sought to slander anti-genocide protestors as racists, that's why the DNC & GOP have both moved to crush dissent against their genocide with police force, that's why NYC is having the national guard come in to "police" their transit system, etc., etc., etc.

I knew this was happening, I warned people about it, some people know, some people have kept trying to pretend. What's really important is that those of us who have come to terms with what is going on act like it. We are in the final stages of a protracted version of the "Business Plot," a slow coup backed by the MIC, finance interests, and (actual, capital F Fascists in) Israel. They've bought and paid for the Republican and Democratic parties of the United States (same interests own both), and they've grown tired of having to deal with this semblance of democracy we've got - they would much rather they just have an outright dictatorship.

Here is what all need to do. Reach out to everyone you know, let them know, talk to them, particularly about the administration's expensive backing of the genocide in Palestine, and about the precedent that sets, and about what is coming next. Ask them what they can do to help stop it - it can be anything. Pooling resources is very important.

Git guns. Git ammo. If you can make guns or make ammo, practice that shit. Git fuel. Git canned food, stockpile as much as possible, git flour & rice, too. Don't go out to movies. Don't buy shit you don't need. Cancel subscriptions, and don't gamble or drink or smoke. That shit is useless, and there is work to do.

If you can figure out what direction the national guard is coming into town from, do that. Write it down, privately. It isn't illegal to know what the fuck you're doing, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. There are bears in the woods if you go far enough and don't take precautions, but nobody who's reading this is at serious risk of being eaten if they take a walk in the park. Know your rights, and make sure others know their rights, too.

Organize, but also do extra-organizational stuff which will help you get ready for what's coming. Work on mutual aid. It's not a buzzword, it's basic assistance which people need, and it helps to build community. Reach out to people who aren't exactly like you, and focus as much as possible on commonalities. The things which divide the population are, largely, stupid bullshit which is tertiary to our actual common problems with the oligarchic state. The oligarchic statesmen know that they can waste your time on this stuff, and so they try to make sure you do it as much as possible.

I'm doing what I've realized is necessary, and we all should do the same. Not out of optimism, but out of necessity.

>>482614
I'm against the breakdown of American liberal democracy, but we should be preparing anyway.
Amazing how easy it is to bridge gaps.

>>482614
>>482616
At no point in American history has there ever been such a thing as "liberal democracy".

>>482620
Ok, bourgeois democracy.
(Badly) representative electoral democracy.
Whatever you want to call it, it technically existed, and it's been gradually chipped away at in various forms from the US removing its (once) strict regulations on corporate power & incorporation in (iirc) the late 1800s, to the banning of Debs' party in the 1900s, to the incredible ballot hurdles created by the Dems & GOP in the later 1900s, to Citizens United, to the PATRIOT Act, etc. The last semblance of it being erased will still be an incredibly bad thing for us who live under it in this time, and like all previous attacks by the machine upon our liberty, there will be no natural assurance but that of our own collective, organized will that the era of even greater mask-off tyranny will ever end.

>>482622
>bourgeois democracy
No.

>representative electoral democracy
No.

Looks like we need to have this conversation again, anon. Elections are not democracy. Never have been. What elections are is a fundamentally oligarchic instrument of governance. Electoral oligarchies were the historic rivals of ancient democracies and for two thousand years it was still understood that you can't have elections in a democracy. The idea that "representative democracy" is anything but an oxymoron is an Orwellian inversion of meaning invented by aspiring aristocrats in the American and French revolutions who wanted to legitimize Roman oligarchy while appealing to populist rhetoric.

>>482625
You know, I'd be tempted to argue with this specifically on semantic terms, but it's actually very interesting.

So, would it be fair to say that the lack of proportionality in the EC is used as a tool to engineer outcomes based on coordinated campaign strategy?

>>482626
The electoral college system is just another check on popular will, as if electing an extremely powerful individual for four years wasn't already enough. Its original implementation took presidential election entirely out of the hands of voters and delegated it to state legislatures. The way it functions today is to the great advantage of centralized moneyed interests because it allows the most powerful capitalists to focus their influence in a handful of key geographic areas (swing states) and institutions (two parties) and completely ignore the rest of the country.

>>482609
I think you are misreading the intentions. This is war-criminals trying to cover their asses. It simply used to be a unofficial norm that presidents wouldn't be legally persecuted for their actions in office. This had the advantage that it gave the appearance of lawfulness , while still granting impunity. And the fact they are now formalizing this suggests that politically they are on the back-foot. They downgraded from lawful-impunity to lawless-impunity. Dictators have more power on paper, but less power in praxis.

Murdering political rivals is how you start civil wars, it's unlikely that a half-way functional state apparatus is dumb enough to go along with that.

If you organize a military coop that fails, presidential immunity won't stop people from executing you for treason. If you go full retard with dictatorial shenanigans, people will go as far as create entire new legal and political institutions to come after you, like what happened after WW2 as a reaction to fascism.

It's liberals shidding and farding about a status quo they've been building brick by brick with Republicans as far back as Clinton at least. Obama already established the president has the authority to just murder us citizens and then back justify it with secret courts, so what really does this change?

>>482631
>Murdering political rivals is how you start civil wars, it's unlikely that a half-way functional state apparatus is dumb enough to go along with that.
This, honestly, seems like sort of a naive reading.
You bring up Fascism in the next paragraph - Nazi Germany lasted more than a decade, and Fascist Italy lasted even longer before its demise. It's much tougher to take down a dictatorship than you imply, and this is part of why dictatorships exist in the first place. Keep in mind, too, that of the technology which exists for surveillance today, much of this didn't exist at the time of the Nazis, and the Nazis themselves were greatly empowered in their totalitarianism by then-new technologies.

We just saw the biggest political rival to Vladimir Putin, Navalny, die in prison - do you expect forthcoming civil war in Russia? So far, it seems highly unlikely, and this was the leader of the most popular opposition to the sitting government in that country, whatever we may think of him outside of it.

>>482634
I think there's a tendency for some on the left to say this literally every time this happens - for example, when Obama had that 16 y/o US citizen drone-bombed without charge, I was saying "ok, but the legal framework for this was established with Bush alongside the Bush-era 'disappearings' and indefinite detentions without trial." I think that may not be an incredibly constructive mindset, in retrospect.
The truth is that stuff is getting worse, it is bad, and while it is being done incrementally (in most cases, although Bush moved it leaps-and-bounds in a very short span of time), it is no less important to oppose it as the increments still represent the gradual worsening of the political situation for ordinary people in the country. We don't need to ignore that history, and that there are previous wrongs which need to be undone, in order to acknowledge the current wrongs and their implications. "Um, actually, it was already bad" just isn't a very compelling message, history shows that things can and do get worse, and our job isn't to stand in a corner being all "they don't know I already knew what was under the mask." They know we already knew, they don't care, they're worried, they should be worried, we fundamentally agree that they should be worried, we should work with them, as they are concerned, to do something to stop the underlying problem.

>>482637
>This, honestly, seems like sort of a naive reading.
Many civil wars have been ignited by killing political figures, obviously it also requires considerable pre-existing tensions too.

>You bring up Fascism in the next paragraph - Nazi Germany lasted more than a decade
You have selection bias going on, the vast majority of attempts at doing fascism resemble coup-attempts in Bolivia rather than Nazi Germany. Statistically speaking fascism lasts a few days to months.
>and this is part of why dictatorships exist in the first place.
the only dictatorships that last are the ones being propped up as vassals for big powers, they're not viable on their own.
>Keep in mind, too, that of the technology which exists for surveillance today, much of this didn't exist at the time of the Nazis, and the Nazis themselves were greatly empowered in their totalitarianism by then-new technologies.
Your reasoning is not convincing, first because 20th century fascism in Europe was not overthrown by organic popular resistance that outmaneuvered the fascist state from the inside.

Second the anti-fascist resistance movement that operated in ww2 originated from parts of the pre-fascist state apparatus that refused compliance with fascism, these were people who already knew the exploitable weaknesses in the system. A lot of it was also supported and later directed by allied forces spy operations from the US, UK and USSR. If you pit ww2 type resistance against modern technology, not much changes. The people that run that kind of resistance are beyond ruthless and just blow up the surveillance infrastructure to create room to operate, just like they blew up Nazi logistic operations or liquidate Nazi collaborator informants. This wasn't amateur adventures it was very sophisticated and intense covert warfare that had a lot of support from the local population. The technological differences also mean that Hitler would have a tougher time surviving the assassination attempts too.

The function of fascism in the capitalist system is to sacrifice the population of a country in the service of the imperial designs of big-bourgeois capital. If you attempted to repeat the 20th century, where big imperial capital tried to expand its reach into Soviet territory with brute force. The most noticeable effect of modern technology would be that the entire thing would be over in 30 minutes because that's how long it takes until the nukes arrive.

>the biggest political rival to Vladimir Putin,
>Navalny
huh ? you seriously believe Navalny was politically influential in Russia ?
I remember watching an interview with a Russian communist around the time the Navalny media hype was on, and when asked to comment, she didn't even know who that was. Assuming you're not a glowy trying to gaslight us, you need to pay more attention to avoid passively absorbing ruling narrative talking points.

It has long been known that the US is a de facto judicial dictatorship. When the President installs himself as the chief justice and issues decrees, he wouldn't just be a constitutional king. He would be an Augustus with all that entails, and could rule from the bench that he now controls all of your money.

What I'm going to do is nothing, because there is nothing to be done. The recent rulings seem to move towards dissolving the country for all intents and purposes before the election, and this began with the 2020 crisis - the final demolition of the former United States.

You're going to see this country sold off and we'll be paying tribute to the true imperial masters. Congratulations, you fucking fags. You destroyed the world.

Mass politics is already dead as a force. The people aren't just defeated - they are utterly crushed and so far gone that they wouldn't know what any agency to act is. Trying to sell these tired narratives misses the point. The struggle that matters is carried out in the institutions and up there, and it has been decided. Eugenics is the only thing they ever believed in. Failed race.

For what it's worth, there have been people in high places willing to say the country has effectively been dissolved, and this has gone on in fits and starts since 2000. They are certainly doing away with any remaining pretenses of the republic and want you to know it's over. They were pretty much screaming at you all to give up in 2020, which is why investing in this farce is absurd, as if you have any power to change what they already decided you want and will be.

>>482640
>You have selection bias going on, the vast majority of attempts at doing fascism resemble coup-attempts in Bolivia rather than Nazi Germany. Statistically speaking fascism lasts a few days to months.
US & Bolivia are in very different places.

>the only dictatorships that last are the ones being propped up as vassals for big powers, they're not viable on their own.
That's really not true.

>20th century fascism in Europe was not overthrown by organic popular resistance that outmaneuvered the fascist state from the inside.
True!

>Second the anti-fascist resistance movement that operated in ww2 originated from parts of the pre-fascist state apparatus that refused compliance with fascism, these were people who already knew the exploitable weaknesses in the system. A lot of it was also supported and later directed by allied forces spy operations from the US, UK and USSR. If you pit ww2 type resistance against modern technology, not much changes. The people that run that kind of resistance are beyond ruthless and just blow up the surveillance infrastructure to create room to operate, just like they blew up Nazi logistic operations or liquidate Nazi collaborator informants. This wasn't amateur adventures it was very sophisticated and intense covert warfare that had a lot of support from the local population. The technological differences also mean that Hitler would have a tougher time surviving the assassination attempts too.
They had that, and they generally were not very successful.

>The function of fascism in the capitalist system is to sacrifice the population of a country in the service of the imperial designs of big-bourgeois capital. If you attempted to repeat the 20th century, where big imperial capital tried to expand its reach into Soviet territory with brute force. The most noticeable effect of modern technology would be that the entire thing would be over in 30 minutes because that's how long it takes until the nukes arrive.
This is assuming a couple things.
First, that a totalitarian American state couldn't avoid nuclear war by simply making its populace miserable and starting wars with less powerful countries like Mexiico, and; second, that this whole thing couldn't just end in WWIII/nuclear war. You're overestimating the sanity of the machine.

>huh ? you seriously believe Navalny was politically influential in Russia ?
Oh, God, I knew you'd pull this.
Yes, Navalny was the most popular opposition figure in Russia, considerably more influential than the actual Russian left. This is, to the best of my knowledge, fact. It's not objective to say that Navalny was good, and I'm not claiming he was, Navalny was bad, actually, but he was the most influential opposition figure.

>>482646
>What I'm going to do is nothing, because there is nothing to be done.
You've got a lot of good takes, but defeatism isn't one of them, Eugene.

>>482650
What I think or feel is irrelevant. This is what defeat of a country looks like - denying that is silly. You guys wanted to burn America to the ground, and you're getting it. It won't lead to the Bad Man going away like you were led to believe, for the evil of this country long ago went trans-national.

I'm not defeated in my spirit - I'll keep paddling as I have, whatever the hell they do. It does mean that any idea that you were going to have a revolution or could take America is lost. There is nothing left to take. This isn't just the death of an idea, but the death of any notion that you could have a democratic society or any accountability, and this is planned for the whole world in the near future. You can still have life and contemplate freedom, but the state and politics are lost to you for the foreseeable future. You'd have to build something from entirely new foundations if you wanted that.

The important takeaway is that it means much of this farce will be gone by year's end. I already sense among the people that they're exhausted at the very mention of this shit, and no one is particularly happy with the outcome. Most of us are trying to salvage whatever we can from this fallen world… but it wasn't the world's fault that this happened, and the world is not evil in the way the ideologues require it to be.

The point I'm trying to convey here is not "all hope is lost", but that if you're going to ask a serious question about how the world is going, so that you can navigate the political situation, you have to stop thinking in these narratives and lies.

>>482649
>Yes, Navalny was the most popular opposition figure in Russia, considerably more influential than the actual Russian left. This is, to the best of my knowledge, fact.
Your knowledge is complete garbage. Navalny ran for mayor of Moscow once and couldn't even muster a third of the vote. After that he become an NGO figure with somewhere around 5% of popular support outside Moscow. His influence and popularity were completely dwarfed by the Community Party of the Russian Federation, the actual popular opposition left formation.

>>482653
>Navalny ran for mayor of Moscow once and couldn't even muster a third of the vote.
This isn't even an argument.
Joe Biden ran for president once in the 1980s and didn't get very far at all. Do you see how a no-context statement like this says absolutely nothing?
Navalny was barred from running for president at all in the last two presidential elections, and 5% is more of the vote than the Communist candidate got this year.

>>482651
>What I think or feel is irrelevant. This is what defeat of a country looks like - denying that is silly.
That's not what cha said, though.
You said "I'm going to do nothing." That's not the country's defeat, that's yours.

>You guys wanted to burn America to the ground, and you're getting it.
First off, no I didn't.
Are you projecting?

>I'm not defeated in my spirit - I'll keep paddling as I have, whatever the hell they do.
You literally just said you'd do nothing.

>It does mean that any idea that you were going to have a revolution or could take America is lost.
And then you said this!
See, this is what I'm talking about when I call this defeatism, Eugene.
The difference between you and I isn't that one of us sees doom and the other doesn't. It's that both of us see doom, but only one of us is intimidated by it away from action. If the most we can expect is Hell, then there is no excuse not to act against the demonic. To say "oh, but we'll lose" is totally irrelevant when we agree that the only likely outcome in any case is loss. What this means is that the only difference which can exist is what we do to stop what is coming, and if the odds seem infinitely stacked against us, then there is no limit whatsoever to the lengths we can go to stop it. In fact, we are all the more obliged to act against it to the greatest extent possible.

>You'd have to build something from entirely new foundations if you wanted that.
And this line is just a thought-terminating cliche.
"Oh, for things to ever be better, we'll have to fly to the moooooon"
I mean, it's ridiculous, Eugene. Some of the stuff you say is at least grounded in reality (even if the attitudes reflect only a slovenly outlook alienated from the urgency of the situation), this line is just grounded in propaganda.

>The important takeaway is that it means much of this farce will be gone by year's end.
I give it 'til Fall next year, but I basically agree.

>>482662
You haven't done anything to establish that Navalny was the most popular opposition figure in Russia. He was a CIA rat on the order of Juan Guaido: a fake opposition figure propped up by Western NGOs to manufacture consent for regime change policy.

>>482663
I'd do nothing about the political situation, and would not consider it in any calculation. I haven't for a long time, because politics does not work to give people nice things like you seem to believe for these narratives to work. It's an insult aristocracy laughingly gives to you.
What the people cared about wasn't a story or these institutions designed to kill them, but the few decencies that were tolerated as expedient, which have been systematically destroyed - and they were destroyed by the avarice of the middle class and their desire to kick down to get ahead. You people did more to hurt me than those at the top, who are happy to let you be their hatchetmen. I despise the middle class for its repeat and flagrant faggotry regarding this.

It's funny how we're supposed to care about these stories that obviously serve narrow interests, but something as simple as our personal security is "retarded", and you sniveling fags jump to make excuses. I'm not that shameful, and certainly not shameful to brag about this self-abasement. It's really Satanic, how you act.

I don't think the concept that there is a world outside of the institutions is admissible in your world-system. It's an insidious disease. You only leave it when you must, and no sooner; and when you must leave, it is set up to be too late, because everything you had was taken from you, and the people who run this operation laugh that they can keep doing it.

>>482671
>You haven't done anything to establish that Navalny was the most popular opposition figure in Russia. He was a CIA ra
This is your basic malfunction. Two things can be true.
Navalny, at the time of his death, was more popular than other opposition figures in Russia. Navalny was also shit, & a weird syncretic mixture of an arch-nationalist & a "liberal" NATO shill.

>>482672
>I'd do nothing about the political situation, and would not consider it in any calculation.
Dumb.

>I haven't for a long time, because politics does not work to give people nice things like you seem to believe for these narratives to work.
I don't believe that.

>and they were destroyed by the avarice of the middle class and their desire to kick down to get ahead. You people did more to hurt me than those at the top, who are happy to let you be their hatchetmen.
Does the American middle class even exist?
Picrel. Which part is the middle class? This looks like two classes.

>>482674
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>>482695
The middle class kept doing it to themselves, and weren't allowed to say no. They cling to some distinction to say "at least we're not retarded", and that's all they will have. You will own nothing - not less, nothing. That's always been the goal, and it's right in front of your face. Why does anyone pretend it is anything else?

That's why you faggots make me so sick.

>left
>right

stfu uygha, should take this chance and become king. it's every man for him self.

>>482739
Apes together stronk