/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

It's been over a year, how have we progressed on this interesting task?

>>483231
>Everyone in such a society would know who "should" get the job
That shit only exists in your head, most people absolutely despise people who deluded them selves into thinking they're born to rule. People kept cutting off the heads of aristocrats for a reason.

>specialized knowledge
<Only the people from the magic knowledge cast are allowed to rule
Are you trolling me ?
If the people decide they want to build a power-plant, they hire power-plant-experts.

>seek to rig the randomizer
that can be frustrated, it's really easy to protect the integrity of a random number generator from manipulation compared to the rest of the political system. Pls halt the concern trolling.

>there are good reasons for states and institutions to hold secrets
>you wouldn't want a stalker knowing the location of his target
To guard against stalking, you need super strong privacy protections and sometimes restraining orders.
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>>483233
>this interesting task?
You mean turning Cockshott's book How the world works into a video series ?

Well there's the formula of doing narration over related stock-images/video, that's easy to do, but there's so many of these, they rarely catch on.

I think we need a video game where you can try out the new economic system.

>>483236
>I think we need a video game where you can try out the new economic system.
Maybe you want something more like an Explorable Explanation. It's kind of a midpoint between a Flash* game and an article.
Some examples:
https://explorabl.es/
and a simpler one more like an article: https://ncase.me/ballot/ (ignore the liberalism)

>>483239
>Trust game
In part #5 (The Evolution of Distrust) it's almost as if they've independent uncovered alienation as a factor of economic fuckery. Pretty neat.

Keep your diarrhea in your containment thread, narcissist.

This person Eugene posted the same thread over at Org siberia. Are we really gonna let that slide?

Previous Eugene-lit thread has been archived at >>>/leftypol_archive/22975

advertising your site is fucking cringe brah.
sage this bullshit

Moved to >>>/edu/7537 after vote. Please do not recreate threads while previous iterations are still active

>>477147
tbh, most politics, regardless of left or right, is just ivory tower divas.

What's so bad about Said, exactly?

>>478775
He was an Arab Christian who lived his entire life in the West and was deeply insecure about the fact that he couldn't connect with his own heritage. So, he blamed white people. But that doesn't change the reality that all those hated white orientalists were more respected by native Arabs than him. Edward William Lane, arch-orientalist though he may be, is vastly more important for the study of Arabic and all history involving Arabic because of his indispensable dictionary of Classical Arabic

I would also point you towards Bernard Lewis's critique. Lewis was a major target of the original book and I think that it is fair to say he and Said were nemeses.
https://www.amherst.edu/media/view/307584/original/The+Question+of+Orientalism+by+Bernard+Lewis+%7C+The+New+York+Review+of+Books.pdf

The essential point that Lewis makes is that Said cherry picks authors to make the rise of Orientalism seem to coincide with colonialism in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth century except that the authors he cites are arbitrarily only from Britain and France and ignores, explicitly, the scholars in very similar lines of thought from places that did not colonize the Middle East (again, Said largely ignores the rest of the East). He also ignores early research into the Orient. Seventeenth century scholarship is rather plentiful about the East at a time when no Western power had any aspiration or ability to conquer the Middle East.
Said attempts to tie intellectual developments to imperialism through a number of dishonest and dubious means. It is worth reading the article in its entirety if you have time.

said and fanon should not be lumped in with those french pedophiles

most people who quote said and fanon are shitty radlibs but guess what, so are most people who quote marx and lenin. their job is to shit up good theorists by selectively quoting them out of context in favor of liberalism.

>>483162
>that's the economic system socialists try to build
No it's not. Under socialism the product of my labor doesn't belong to me it belongs to Bob because Bob "needs" it more than me. It's a good deal if you're Bob which is why socialism only attracts losers who want to leech from others.

>but it's not like that now
It's not like that now because of taxes. If you are self employed then all the product of your labor belongs to you except what the state steals.

>you mean like the bail-outs for wallstreet
Yes. Free stuff at the top to keep the rich rich and free stuff at the bottom to keep the plebs voting and the middle class has to pay for it all. It's not your ideal version of socialism but it is a type of socialism.

>Those were capitalists not socialists
Nope. The government is the one giving the bailouts and when the government does stuff that's socialism. In a free market when banks go broke they go broke and if the CEOs owes money to the people then we throw they/them out of a helicopter.

>Can't have a working theory of economics without that
You are deliberately evading the question
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>>483170
>See picrel.
I distinctly remember Blair abolishing hereditary peers, stuffing the house of lords with his own people and gratuitously banning fox hunting just to wind up the Tories but sure everyone you don't like is a secret Tory.

>Corporate deregulation
You're saying there are fewer regulations now than 40 years ago? Calling a big old bullshit on that one. The point of regulations is for corporations to use the government to screw over competitors so of course they are only going to pile up.

>outsourcing
<refuse to work
<cry when jobs move overseas
Also this has nothing to do with government policy.

>union busting
Unions are the ones who destroyed your economy in the first place but ok.
Unions only exist because the government protects them anyway.
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>>483179
Work in a primitive society, like ancient hunter gatherers, work is directly social, all the work is for survival. In a more complex society that has better tools, not all of the work goes into survival, that is what becomes surplus. In capitalism this surplus is mostly captured by capitalists as profits. The state also gets some of the surplus via taxes or state-run enterprises. A big chunk of the surplus that the states gets flows to capitalists, like with wall-street bailouts and arms spending. Only a small part is going into public well-fare. And keep in mind that most well-fare recipients only need it because capitalism denies employment to a section of society, because they want to have a reserve army of labor on stand-by. So try not to be a worm that kicks down.

You're right that socialism isn't 100% efficient either, it'll have overhead as well, but you'll get a much bigger part of your surplus back than in capitalism. Btw socialism isn't synonymous with when the government does stuff

The relations in capitalism aren't really voluntary because You can't choose another economic system.

Given how much damage the financial crash caused, you're idea with aviation based disciplinary measures, is understandable. However I would like an economic system where the accounting and transactions system is stable and doesn't operate like a casino.

Nazis used gas as a weapon of mass destruction in the extermination camps. They didn't use it on the battle field against advanced military because it was obsolete. That is not a display of morality it's just basic grasp of military tactics. The use of chemical weapons in later wars was just stupid, it doesn't prove effectiveness.

The Soviets failed to ensure food security and that led to starvation, the narrative that it was done on purpose, was propaganda by the Nazis that was later re-used in the cold-war. It's wrong please stop repeating this.

Some of Mao's polices were indeed retarded and backfired catastrophically, however China did industrialize under Mao. Live expectancy doubled. And yes most of China's early woes can be attributed to the decade of colonial subjugation, the Communists inherited a huge mess. China's introduction of market elements into it's economy are indeed responsible for a chunk of China's economic rise. However you also Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>483182
>outsourcing
<refuse to pay decent wages
<cry when the low wage periphery uses the outsourced industrial power to dismantles your empire

>The only reason a government would burn votes like this is because they are broke
They're broke because they blew it on pointless militaristic schemes.

Again?

And how come a government/president doesn't have control over its military?

>>482488
>Again?
Might just be a flash in the pan. Telesur says it's already "neutralized"

https://twitter.com/BTnewsroom/status/1806088019549557005
Pro-coup troops chased out by protestors.

>>482501
Yeah the hole thing was basically a reminder to the MAS coalition that they have a common enemy.

Interesting TrueAnon episode on the coup attempt.

If someone says "Eugene, you're an American hypocrite" - I don't profit from any further enclosure of Indian land, and what was done was done. America has a lot of questions to ask itself if it is to be a "thing" in the future. But, those questions won't be asked. Eugenics won. This is the world eugenics creates. So, I think only about that, and I will work with anyone who will kill eugenist filth.

Amazing read Eugene, after you finish your work here, I would like you to reconsider seeking a Phd or Masters at Cambridge.

Also publish on demand is a thing, I would very much like to read your work in hard copy.

If you need help typesetting, which tbh fam I reckon you could do yourself; We can help.

>>483102
I know how to format it to look "professional" or something close to it. Just a matter of obtaining materials to make the hard copy.
I have most of Book 3 finished but want to edit it for clarity, to make it clearer what I'm referring to. It looks like "rant at highest volume", which it will be since Books 4 and 5 tone down the "doom is nigh". It comes off as doomer because I'm writing about concepts which are basically trans-historical - that is, what it means to speak of the concept of the political and economic, which are rather grody if they are distilled to their essential characteristics, how we speak of them. I really need to make the point that you won't find answers to the political within the political itself, especially formulations of it written by aristocracy - written traditionally by religion and for the purposes religion serves. Religion itself gives some of the answers of where to look, since no religion is a "total system" in that sense, and I'm opposed to "total systems" as an explanation of anything useful for us. The only total system that is relevant for me is the world itself, and even there, the world is not a "system" in that sense.

I have a supplemental I was writing but it needs to be edited, since I want to avoid "rant mode" and clarify what I wrote in the first book about the concept of systems, and how this concept could be worked with in the future. My main goal there is to demonstrate how a systems thought could be reconstructed from simple components, rather than reliant on pedagogy to assert a fixed system in minds that aren't able to defend themselves against it. My more long-term hope would be to write something accessible to a young reader, so they can do something to guard against the poison of education and we might have far less of this toxicity. I believe this will happen without me doing anything out of necessity, but the fear is very strong now and there is something very real to fear. If there is nothing but "the system" that we're getting - if what they did to us in the 1990s is allowed to continue but worse when the brats around me are the elders - it will be terrible to live through that. That whole thing was set up so that the favored would have their private and special education and everyone else will get nothing but "retard! retard!" shouted at them from cradle to grave. Since it's not Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>483094
>Project 2025
It's interesting that we're only now hearing about this. Sounds like another bugbear pushed by the Democrats to terrorize people into voting for their fascist. In the end it doesn't really matter which puppet is in power, our rulers still get what they want. If you want to resist that then you have to attack the credibility of their institutions. The delusion that the rot is only coming from a certain faction leads to the most unproductive and self-defeating tactics.

>>483095

>>483097


It was written in January, not sure when they published it. Nobody really noticed til the leaders of Project 2025 (The name of the organization, the document I believe is titled "Mandate for Leadership" or something) started making the rounds on the news. The head of the organization literally said, and I quote "A bloodless transition, if the left let it." It was around the same time that trump also started saying things like "Hunt down the leftists". If they win, and they will if the DNC runs Harris, it's going to be some pretty hard times for a lot of people.

Also, I'm not talking about organizations here. I've been very careful and specific with my word choices. "Institution" is in reference to something akin to institutionalized racism within the police, not an institute. Capitalism is not an organization. These institutional facist beliefs are much more insidious. That's why I said

>There needs to be an asymmetrical way of going after these people.

>>483100
You're still falling down the extremely counter-productive rabbit hole of "going after these people"–as if fascism stems entirely from a group of baddies and if we stop the baddies we win. Fascism is not something you simply resist. It's a state of affairs you will end up with if the left doesn't provide a coherent alternative in a time of systemic crisis. The way to defeat fascism is to have ourselves a real organized proletarian revolution.

>>483104
I think maybe we need to replace the word facists with nazis for you to grasp exactly what I'm getting at. Yes, we need an organized proleterian revolution to combat systemic repression. This is a different issue.

In systemic repression, the opposition is (usually) established in power. This is (currently) a different situation with the nazis. The nazis have been stewing in the background using coded language (dog whistles) and mustering strength. Now they are openly organizing. We don't need a proletariate revolution to stop the nazis from gaining power. In fact, it probably wouldn't even impact the issue of literal nazis organizing in the streets and establishing themselves within organizations like law enforcement, first responders, etc. In fact, they are using the same proletariate revolution tactics (like parallel polis) to gain power that the left should be using, but for the opposite ends.

You seem to want to dismiss and typecast me, rather than engage in any kind of good faith discussion. No, facicsm does not stem entirely from a group of baddies. But you can't stick your head in the sand and pretend like groups of baddies don't already exist. They do exist. They are organized. I'm not trying to stop facism as a whole, though we can certainly work towards that end. What I am trying to do is bring light to (we're going to change this term again) authoritarian nationalists (literally nazis) publicly brandishing their agenda who will in all likelihood take over at the national level.

We can oppose both capitalism and facism at the same time, but it's important to be able to distinguish between the two.

>>483094
>There needs to be an asymmetrical way of going after these poeple
IMHO the correct way is to create a better political alternative.

I assure you I suffer no mental , nor psychological disorders . But you on the other hand might be . Hating your own skin , your own kind , your own tribe just because they made fun of your head containing 2 brains mass . Such a pity . I'm at least non less , in constant becoming into what the cosmos will be . While no futur for you or the likes of you have anything to partake in . I was actually looking for a clue about this and I found it . So humble yourself and come close or whatever dude . This comment is for the writer of that first text. Not for any newbies here .

I don't mean offense 😅 anyway . I'm your fan your work throughout the history is fascinating. If anything is happening in reality it always has it's causal reasons so anyway life is life and it is what it is . Please do accept my friendship invitation on telegram . Xoxo . If I'm redpilled schizophrenic it'd be fun talking to me 😉

Another day another conspiracy theorist gone completely mad . How the fuck you can control 8 billions of breeding people like how do you control each individual's choices and thoughts

>>482841
silence those people who keep speaking about "diversity is beautiful", "inner beauty!", and "non-whites are beautiful too!". we will do the breeding program after a red victory, then we can do the program without much of a hurdle. because in truth, actual victory is achieved when we can steamroll those delusional "diversity"-people.

>>483065
You need a cute brown girl (or boy idc) to blow your pent-up load into. Doctor's orders to cure your eugenicist brain-rot.

China is now getting involved, they brokered a reconciliation between fatah an hamas. Something along the lines of uniting all the Palestinians as a prelude to establishing Palestinian-statehood.

They managed to get the Iranians and the Saudis to bury the war-hatchet. Given how deep that conflict went, they must have used especially potent diplomacy to make that happen. With that in mind I'm wondering whether this is a sign that shit will get done now, or whether this is just more declarative non-happenings.

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=X2rTINHPT9g

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>>483013
Defect or not, conceptually a "third gender" is nonsensical. It's funny how "third genders" which are very clearly relitigations of male and female sexual roles to essentialize behavior, are considered free standing forms. They are defined entirely by compliance with the roles of males and females, exaggerated and fused with psychology and personality. That was always a test of the eugenic creed and compliance with it, and with the method of internalizing and torture-programming and pornification.

Same with Intersex - it is always understood as malformed male or female traits. "Gender" conceptually is an essentialist view of sex, while "biological sex" was always understood to refer to function - the bodies of males and females always orient around the functions of hormonal development and the function of reproduction. But, this thinking contradicts the eugenist ideology about natural selection, where "nothing really changes". By their own ideological thinking, the only way evolution could work is through degradation - nothing new could be possible except by "freak random chance". This was always used to justify a hereditary aristocracy, which always believed it was a distinct race from "base humanity".

Since there are abnormalities among marked males and females of "wrongsex", it's not like the sexes are ideal forms or "hardcoded structures", and this hasn't been a problem for anyone with common sense about the body. It doesn't mean that there is a "spectrum of sex". We know what a penis does and weren't not as retarded as the ruling ideas require us to be.

And like I said, "intersex" conditions are both from early development (and never from hereditary defect since everyone who reproduces has to be a viable male/female, so there are no "intersex parents"), and from damage where someone becomes a eunuch or female equivalent. Guess what else has been pushed hard - sterilization and various forms of outright castration of males and females. That's what birth control is - chemical castration.

>>483011
>Males inseminate the females, females can carry children.

Except there's more than this in nature, and more than this in human sexuality as well.

>Most intersex people hate this ideological shit by the way.

It's not strictly ideological, and there are plenty of intersex people who've campaigned for recognition.

>>483013
Based on what exactly?
Saying it's sexual variation is way more objective than trying to decide on whether or not it's a defect, which is a pretty meaningless value judgment without any absolute material basis. To say someone has genitals which do not conform entirely to categories of male & female is objective and requires no ideology; to say it's a defect is subjective, and requires ideology.

>>483014
>Defect or not, conceptually a "third gender" is nonsensical.
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